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		<title>Comment on Forgiveness, repentance, and grace by Neal Davis</title>
		<link>http://radiobeloved.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/forgiveness-repentance-and-grace/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually posted that talk under the Documents page, since I've never been able to find it anywhere and I thought it should be available.  the only thing about it is his thoughts on repentance seem a little heterodox, but if understood as a principle and not as doctrine, they still work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually posted that talk under the Documents page, since I&#8217;ve never been able to find it anywhere and I thought it should be available.  the only thing about it is his thoughts on repentance seem a little heterodox, but if understood as a principle and not as doctrine, they still work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forgiveness, repentance, and grace by Taylor Bentley</title>
		<link>http://radiobeloved.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/forgiveness-repentance-and-grace/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still have that talk by Elder Holland. It is still  the best one I have read on that subject. I have passed it on to a few others. If more people understood that facet of the Atonement, how much happier would we be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still have that talk by Elder Holland. It is still  the best one I have read on that subject. I have passed it on to a few others. If more people understood that facet of the Atonement, how much happier would we be?</p>
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		<title>Comment on No man dieth to himself by Eric Sondeen</title>
		<link>http://radiobeloved.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/no-man-dieth-to-himself/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Sondeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a serendipitous read as firefighters and veterans prepare to bury our friend, "Neal A. Davis", at Fort Logan National Cemetery tomorrow. The "Google Alert" snagged the author's byline and Providence saw that comfort was delivered. 

Thanks for your piece. 

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a serendipitous read as firefighters and veterans prepare to bury our friend, &#8220;Neal A. Davis&#8221;, at Fort Logan National Cemetery tomorrow. The &#8220;Google Alert&#8221; snagged the author&#8217;s byline and Providence saw that comfort was delivered. </p>
<p>Thanks for your piece. </p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>Comment on That ye may have life&#8230; by No man dieth to himself &#171; Radio Beloved</title>
		<link>http://radiobeloved.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/that-ye-may-have-life/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>No man dieth to himself &#171; Radio Beloved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2 June 2008, 7:00  Filed under: Uncategorized &#124; Tags: existentialism A few weeks ago, I wrote an essay on life and death in light of the Atonement. It ended thus: We are now a hard kernel of wheat, dead [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2 June 2008, 7:00  Filed under: Uncategorized | Tags: existentialism A few weeks ago, I wrote an essay on life and death in light of the Atonement. It ended thus: We are now a hard kernel of wheat, dead [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The analogy of being by Neal Davis</title>
		<link>http://radiobeloved.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/the-analogy-of-being/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clifford--

That does raise the interesting question of how ideal "Forms" play into material reality.  In the Platonic sense however, wouldn't the realization of such a god necessarily be a crude approximation of the actual Form, as instances of an archetype never meet the full Platonic ideal?  Just a thought--it's certainly evocative of an ideal, subjective realm interacting with an external reality.

Of course, in another sense the personal God with whom we interact regularly is a sort of crude approximation we utilize--the shadow, if you will--of the fully-realized (or should I just say REALized) divinity.

Thanks for bringing up the analogy.  Plato's ripe for comparisons here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifford&#8211;</p>
<p>That does raise the interesting question of how ideal &#8220;Forms&#8221; play into material reality.  In the Platonic sense however, wouldn&#8217;t the realization of such a god necessarily be a crude approximation of the actual Form, as instances of an archetype never meet the full Platonic ideal?  Just a thought&#8211;it&#8217;s certainly evocative of an ideal, subjective realm interacting with an external reality.</p>
<p>Of course, in another sense the personal God with whom we interact regularly is a sort of crude approximation we utilize&#8211;the shadow, if you will&#8211;of the fully-realized (or should I just say REALized) divinity.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing up the analogy.  Plato&#8217;s ripe for comparisons here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deseo creer by Neal Davis</title>
		<link>http://radiobeloved.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/deseo-creer/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricardo--

Thanks for those thoughts.  Your suggestions as to the role of doubt (hence reason) in expanding faith are well-grounded, and I particularly applaud your statements in the last paragraph that "doubt of assumptions' correctness permit us to go beyond faith."  An elegant answer to a thorny problem, and worth consideration, as the interplay of faith and reason is often antagonistic as the claims (subjective and existential, political, dogmatic, etc.) that each arrogates to itself collide.

As I look back on my thoughts on the subject, I realize that two things have revised my approach recently.  The first is my continuing reading of Kant, which reminds me that reason has a fixed orbit, beyond which it cannot pass, but within it reigns supreme (if we will allow it).  The second is the lesson from the Joseph Smith manual last Sunday in Gospel Doctrine.  As I read over the material there, I was struck by the occasional seeming paradox in which two apparently sincere seekers of truth can pray and receive contradictory answers, with no reason to assume that either of them is obstinately resisting the Spirit.  How much do our own desires, conscious or unconscious, necessarily shape our worldview?  A great deal, certainly; the truth we see is often at the mercy of the truth we know.

In any case, I believe that the value is more in continuing to search for truth, rather than in finding it.  That seems more consistent with what we know of the universe and the gospel; consider Abraham's quest to "be a follower of greater righteousness" (Abr. 1:2).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricardo&#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for those thoughts.  Your suggestions as to the role of doubt (hence reason) in expanding faith are well-grounded, and I particularly applaud your statements in the last paragraph that &#8220;doubt of assumptions&#8217; correctness permit us to go beyond faith.&#8221;  An elegant answer to a thorny problem, and worth consideration, as the interplay of faith and reason is often antagonistic as the claims (subjective and existential, political, dogmatic, etc.) that each arrogates to itself collide.</p>
<p>As I look back on my thoughts on the subject, I realize that two things have revised my approach recently.  The first is my continuing reading of Kant, which reminds me that reason has a fixed orbit, beyond which it cannot pass, but within it reigns supreme (if we will allow it).  The second is the lesson from the Joseph Smith manual last Sunday in Gospel Doctrine.  As I read over the material there, I was struck by the occasional seeming paradox in which two apparently sincere seekers of truth can pray and receive contradictory answers, with no reason to assume that either of them is obstinately resisting the Spirit.  How much do our own desires, conscious or unconscious, necessarily shape our worldview?  A great deal, certainly; the truth we see is often at the mercy of the truth we know.</p>
<p>In any case, I believe that the value is more in continuing to search for truth, rather than in finding it.  That seems more consistent with what we know of the universe and the gospel; consider Abraham&#8217;s quest to &#8220;be a follower of greater righteousness&#8221; (Abr. 1:2).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deseo creer by Ricardo Diaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricardo Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil:
Your many ruminations spark a few of my own but none as eloquent; however, yours deserved at least a comment or two given that el Don sparked them on 5 de mayo.

First on the reality observed by each of us and its relationship to Truth. You say yourself that the trick is to be both sincere and correct and I agree but neither you nor I have, beyond the metaphysical, the criteria to judge the existence of either one. Who decides that you are sincere? Only yourself (or God?). Who decides whether something is Correct? 
The existence of one True/Correct/Right way is more plausible in the material, reasonable, world in which we can define the exact mass of a Kg. or "true" north even if it is not as useful as the one measurement we might use (north pole, pound). When it comes to matters that have a direct connection with faith as in your example, the Atonement, I wonder why we don't just assume the act and use your own suggestion tool ask about the causes and washback.  
While I have not read Kierkegaard’s thoughts directly, I wonder if the contribution of doubt is perhaps in the questioning of Correctness, or Sincerity. That is, contributions to our understanding are either one are fostered and even harbored precisely because we can doubt that either exists. An intellectual pursuit of their existence is still worth it even if neither existed, at least reason would say so. Faith, on the other hand, would not contribute such an exercise but would preclude it by its presence. Thus, we can say that doubt of assumptions' correctness permit us to go beyond faith.
Sancho's persistent questioning eventually yields to the faithful constructions that el Quixote had already assumed were true but this acquiescence makes him no less correct. No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil:<br />
Your many ruminations spark a few of my own but none as eloquent; however, yours deserved at least a comment or two given that el Don sparked them on 5 de mayo.</p>
<p>First on the reality observed by each of us and its relationship to Truth. You say yourself that the trick is to be both sincere and correct and I agree but neither you nor I have, beyond the metaphysical, the criteria to judge the existence of either one. Who decides that you are sincere? Only yourself (or God?). Who decides whether something is Correct?<br />
The existence of one True/Correct/Right way is more plausible in the material, reasonable, world in which we can define the exact mass of a Kg. or &#8220;true&#8221; north even if it is not as useful as the one measurement we might use (north pole, pound). When it comes to matters that have a direct connection with faith as in your example, the Atonement, I wonder why we don&#8217;t just assume the act and use your own suggestion tool ask about the causes and washback.<br />
While I have not read Kierkegaard’s thoughts directly, I wonder if the contribution of doubt is perhaps in the questioning of Correctness, or Sincerity. That is, contributions to our understanding are either one are fostered and even harbored precisely because we can doubt that either exists. An intellectual pursuit of their existence is still worth it even if neither existed, at least reason would say so. Faith, on the other hand, would not contribute such an exercise but would preclude it by its presence. Thus, we can say that doubt of assumptions&#8217; correctness permit us to go beyond faith.<br />
Sancho&#8217;s persistent questioning eventually yields to the faithful constructions that el Quixote had already assumed were true but this acquiescence makes him no less correct. No?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The analogy of being by Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He sounds as if he is building on Plato's cave and shadows analogy.</description>
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		<title>Comment on A corn of wheat by Neal Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just sound condescending without admitting anything?  Actually, this is based on a thought I gave in a church meeting a few weeks ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just sound condescending without admitting anything?  Actually, this is based on a thought I gave in a church meeting a few weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A corn of wheat by pypdizzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>pypdizzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 14:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dito.  (Was this a plagiarized outline from a Maxwell talk? or Are you just a genius?)  By admitting to either you'll sound condescending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dito.  (Was this a plagiarized outline from a Maxwell talk? or Are you just a genius?)  By admitting to either you&#8217;ll sound condescending.</p>
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